Last night I went to the closing panel of the Transatlantic Dialogues seminar series organized by the King Juan Carlos I of Spain Center at New York University. The event had so many big names in international politics that security was really tight. I had to bring a copy of my R.S.V.P. confirmation along with my university ID. People had to pass through a metal detector while their bags were searched.
The panel’s moderator was Baltasar Garzón, judge magistrate in the Audiencia Nacional, Spain’s highest criminal court. The panel consisted of the following people:
Felipe González, former Spanish president
Álvaro Uribe, president of Colombia
Ernesto Zedillo, former Mexican president
Henry Kissinger, former U.S. secretary of state and national security advisor
Overall it was a great panel. Each one of the panelists expressed some great insights, but what made the debate really interesting was the exchange between Uribe and González. Uribe seemed like the more tactical of the two, using carefully measured words to show how well Colombia is doing because of his policies. Having had the first turn to speak, he more or less framed the debate by listing five elements he believes a modern democracy should have:
- democratic security
- respect for individual liberties
- social cohesion
- independence of governmental institutions
- transparency
These are all things, according to Uribe, that are being worked for in Colombia. He also made a comment about how it isn’t practical to divide Latin America in political rights and lefts. González responded to that saying that most of the time when he heard someone say such a thing, they most likely were from the political right. That sort of woke up the crowd and González received a round of applause for it.
González’s style was a nice contrast to Uribe’s. He seemed more spontaneous and better at sparking people’s emotions. He was definitely the more quotable of the two, saying things like (I’m paraphrasing, or course):
The people on the left know how to distribute wealth, but they don’t know how to create it. People on the right know how to create wealth, but don’t know how to distribute it.
and:
… A government should be just like those spectacular bodies we see in Ipanema (Brazil): not an ounce of excess fat, but no skeleton either.
In that last comment he was specifying what he meant by the need of big governments; not a huge bureaucratic government, but an agile government capable of swiftly meeting the needs of the country and the people.
I’m going to close this post with another one of González’s quotable moments, one that got a nice reaction from the crowd:
A leftist demagogue is a disaster, but a rightist demagogue is truly something to be feared.
I’ll post tomorrow about Zedillo and Kissinger.
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